Daily Entry: June 15th, 2017

Thu Jun 15 06:59:59 UTC 2017

Almost forgot to start this post today.

I'm thinking I should put more of my political and I guess "liberal" thinking here.

Might be a good way to verify some of my knowledge and worldview, as well.

Next time I fall into reading about politics and stuff I'll post thinking here instead of keeping it in my brain.

Also, should write down thoughts about shows I watch more.

Thu Jun 15 07:40:46 UTC 2017

Welp, I'm going to put transcripts or recollections of conversations of these things in this diary. I think that'll be a good first start.

This will be cleaned-up later.

congrats on the new last name

Rory

heh

i don't want people finding me

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Rory

i rage quit for reasons and now facebook is a specific tool

which is chatting with people whom prefer messenger

same reason i have skype still

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I haven't blogged in ages, but I've been making a lot of little "serious posts" on my facebook feed lately.

Rory

that's the same reason my mentor (Stephan Terre) stopped blogging as much

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like 2-3 paragraph mini thinkpieces while sharing links to stuff. It's weird, but it's satisfying a lot of the same cravings that blogging did

Rory

basically, anything i would say on facebook i say in my diary and probably the same amount of people read it either way

ksionda.me/diary

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lol skype

huh

Rory

and also i slowly build drafts of things that may be proper blog posts that will eventually live at ksionda.me/blog

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whenever I write I'm always trying to make some kind of impact, and so I feel like it'd lose all meaning to do it privately

I don't get many likes or comments, but I've had like three friends approach me in person to thank me for some of the things I've been writing. it's crazy.

Rory

/me nods

i was bad at impact and writing on facebook or other places wasn't making me better

i am still bad at impact

however, the way my brain works i develop tunnel vision too easily to make my serious thoughts facebook or twitter public

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I've noticed at least two friends start writing "serious posts" occasionally too but they seem to struggle with a few things as well

Rory

i need to slowly build my philosophy around something and then i can make a proper public thing about it

so, my diary is available to anyone interested, and sometimes i dive into things

i could be better about putting my political opinions there

i'm still ingesting a lot of info and thinking about it whilst i pace around the room

i need to start the day's daily post

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I think it's important to be vocal about your opinions, and to find a way of expressing them in a way that you're satisfied with, even if it's just short and simple. I just think so many people on the right honestly believe that everyone agrees with them because no one near them ever speaks up.

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You're not gonna change any minds, but you still gotta apply that pressure. Make them feel the pushback

Rory

I apply pressure, but I'm a one-on-one kinda guy. Also, again, gotta be careful about not regressing to "arguing to win" me.

So, I still regularly talk and even work with that one conservative guy I told you about.

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Changing someone's mind is a long term game, not necessarily something that happens in a few epiphanies. So being persistent in a way that doesn't turn people off is important

yeah

Rory

Basically, I fight with a lack of meaning regardless of where I put my opinion. So I'd rather work on regularly writing and I like it best in my diary area.

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definitely feels like getting through to people is a high-skill, high-challenge kind of activity

Rory

I have come back a little bit. I'm back on twitter, too.

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I think I've talked to you about Greyson from gamedev before, right

Rory

Yeah.

Rory

I struggle with the preaching to the choir problem. I think that has its value, mind you, but not as a change people's minds thing. It's more a "you're not alone thing", which I think is also very good. I would like to have metrics to somehow gauge progress and actually develop working strats vs net-negative strats.

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yeah

Did I tell you about how I stopped talking to greyson, unfriended him and everything? I feel like my circle of friends is only becoming more like "the choir" but I guess there are still plenty who i don't know about what they think

Rory

Yeah.

When Trump got elected I had seriously considered cutting a lot of people from my life.

Rory

But I know that I've made progress with friends but not with strangers, so I think maybe it's more important to make friends and keep friends with views I find abhorrent. Also, work with them. Make it so talking about it isn't taboo and make it so telling them something isn't acceptable doesn't mean friendship is over. But also I won't defend their views to other people.

Rory

By "work with them" I mean work on projects and stuff.

Do stuff not related to their straight-up evil views. And I am quite clear about finding it evil. It was a long conversation with a friend of mine.

And a shorter one with my sister.

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with greyson I hit a point where it felt like I had made it clear that i found his views evil, but the fact that I wast tolerating them was undermining my message, which is why i felt it was important to kick him out of my life and make sure he understood why I was doing it

Rory

Yeah, I understand that.

Like, there's a personal responsibility thing that's a hard line to walk.

Like, if they're especially vocal you need to make sure that people who know that you're friends know that in no way whatsoever do you find those actions acceptable.

I linked you to that social change article, yeah?

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I think so

by nicky case

Rory

Yes.

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man I'm always rethinking my decision to ditch greyson and every time I conclude that it was the right thing to do but i can't stop rethinking it as if I'm still unsure

Rory

That's a good sign, I think, though it can be a burden.

I do the same thing with a variety of things.

Hopefully the questioning gets more and more spaced out.

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get a cool profile photo rory

maybe something anonymous since that's what you want i think

Rory

I do the same thing with Christianity.

I could make it that crossed-out K that I use elsewhere.

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I just keep looking at our chat window and thinking something went wrong and didn't load lol

Rory

there

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nice

Rory

rosse made that for me a while back

much better than the one i made

as can be seen here: https://twitter.com/SilentKsionda

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I post so much, I hope I don't overtake your feed

I've had friends unfollow me for that before

Rory

i don't go to facebook.com

so no worries

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twitter too

I just need something to do while code compiles and stuff lol

Rory

oh, i'm trying to be careful about who i follow

i don't follow people who post politics too much, though i do follow people who are straight-up politicians

i'm trying to find the line and walk it

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I tried doing that, but I feel like I get more value following a variety of reporters

Rory

just like i argue with a libertarian about how he's wrong about his politics and also lol at "free-market advocates like Donald" but then later apologize for picking an argument over healthcare

like, i'm trying to find what's productive

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hehehe

Rory

i follow the rule that if i'm not regularly confused and don't look like i'm confusing the person i disagree with, we're probably not making any progress on understanding each other and updating our views accordingly

because i noticed that's how i've made progress with friends

Also, it's something that really rung true in that social change article.

and now i may only tweet things i've done elsewhere instead of tweeting to talk

Wow, really need to pick what syntax rules I'm following in this conversation.

That's another thing I do, I used to be very particular about how I write, but now I try to reflect the person I'm chatting with.

A friend told me how uncomfortable it was when I wrote with "proper" syntax. He said it felt like I was lecturing him or yelling at him.

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lol

Rory

And at first I got all offended because it's how I choose to talk online, but then I realized I don't care and I should really be flexible where I don't care.

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sounds like "you type like my grandpa"

people on the internet are so particular about what sounds "authentic," though meeting those requirements is often very inauthentic for some people

Rory

choice of words is yuge with people with different worldviews

also the same words mean different things

what a mine-field

reminds me of a lovejoyfeminism post about how evangelicals and feminists mean different things when they talk about sexual morality

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/08/a-tale-of-two-boxes-contrastin-sexual-ethics.html

A Tale of Two Boxes: Contrasting Sexual Ethics

. Not only do conservatives and progressives divide acts differently between the two boxes, they also label the two boxes differently. (I’ve already discussed this illustration in posts on

patheos.com

this is something that makes a lot of arguments non-starters

like with, was his name tyler?

at some point i argued that this became an argument of semantics and he was all "semantics=meaning and it's important"

now i consider it more important to note that a difference in understanding of words has brought a discussion to a halt and we need to define things

so, like that argument about ageism that happened when you linked to that one gamasutra article a long time ago

and he was adament that it might not be ageism because intent, and i said that the results of hiring practices shows an ageism problem regardless of intent and blah blah blah

people don't understand that systems can be bigoted

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man I hate that. Like some people see that they have different understandings of what something means and rather than using that to clear up confusion, they literally pick a fight and start arguing about who's right about the "real" meaning. So dumb

yeah and the hyper defensive "it's not my fault so I don't care about this problem" argument

Rory

/me nods

that's why i really liked the parable of the polygons thing

if you're not intolerant of a bigoted status-quo because you didn't cause it, then you're letting it happen if the system is already bigoted

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been wanting to make something like parable of polygons but don't have inspiration

Rory

i'm going to put a bunch of this conversation in my diary cleaned-up if that's all right with you

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sure

Rory

cool, cool

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should probably go to sleep now

Rory

kk

sleep well

Fri Jun 16 20:50:43 UTC 2017

Didn't clean it up until next day but whatever. I should go over it and reflect a bit more cleanly on my talk with him and my philosophy on some things.